thingsfrommyhead replied to your post:A confession, of sorts…
I wish this had a re-blog option!!! I agree with everything you send bar one thing. I think Rumpel did know that Emma’s kiss would wake Henry. He knew Regina used the sleeping potion and he knew the way to break that dark…
Look, I don’t know where you have looked, but pretty much me and all the dearies that I follow where really sorry for Regina and angry at Rumple for what he did. But for Rumple, I’m sure he knew that Emma was going to kiss Henry, because
A) he rushed to bring the magic back. No reason to do it if the whole town wasn’t about to remember and go ballistic on him and Regina.
B) he told Belle she was going to know him.
C) he knew the curse was about to be broken and only a kiss of true love could do it. Only a kiss from Emma. And who was the person who needed a kiss? Henry. I think that many here on tumblr foresaw the same.
For taking the magic back, I’m sure it’s partly because how else could he find Bae? And how else could he protect himself from the town that now remembers?
Also, he’s still power-hungry now that he has an excuse to bring magic back. I didn’t like his expression at all. I think Belle will leave him and I think he’ll make many mistakes. I don’t even go if he’ll go in fully villain mode next season or if the writers will surprise us. I love him and I interpreted the situation like this, but it doesn’t mean that at the end of the episode I didn’t want to throw stuff at him!
1) Manipulating everyone to get them in place like little chess pieces
2) Murdering people because he saw them as a threat (his maid), or just an annoyance (turned a man into a snail and squashed him - FOR NO REASON)
3) Broke the heart of his ‘true love’ by choosing power over her
4) Chose power over his son - repeatedly and then blamed the fairies for ‘taking’ Bae away from him
I’m prety sure these aren’t the only examples I could give, but what constitutes “full villain” mode to you? Murder, cheating, tricking and greed pretty much do it for me.
But I didn’t like Regina’s smirk neither or how she dismissed Jefferson even when she now knew how he felt all the time. For me they both didn’t learn very much, because they are too happy that magic is back and it doesn’t look like they are going to be good with it. They both deserve an happy ending for me. I wanted them both to have their sons telling them they loved them, and you have no idea how much I hoped Henry would say “I love you too” as soon as the curse was broken, because he looked conflicted when Regina told him she loves him. During the episode I cried both when Rumple and Regina cried. During the episode I hoped for another villain because the ones we have are both too broken for me to route against them for real.
Well, in all fairness, nobody REALLY knows what Regina’s smirk means. My best guess is that at last she might finally have some power, considering she’s pretty much lost everything she ever had. She even sacrificed her last bit of magic so her joy at seeing magic might have something to do with the fact that now, she stands a fighting chance instead of being stripped of anything and everything that was important to her. Yes; one can argue that Regina did it to herself (as Henry asserted in her dream and, I suggest, is rumbling around Regina’s subconscious somewhere as self-hatred), but when you think about it, she was destined for this. The deals her mother made? I wonder who they were with. Hm. Let’s see, shall we? Who’s the person who cuts deals that ONLY ever benefit himself? Hm. *strokes chin thoughtfully*
See, you are an evil regal
I am? When did this happen? Just because Regina’s my favourite character doesn’t mean I’m anything other than a fan of Regina. But please, feel free to pigeonhole me if it makes your argument any more cohesive.
and saw Regina “no, no!” in the hospital as a way to say “no, the curse is broken, I’ll lose Henry!”, I saw it as a “No, the curse is broken, my victory is gone!”. You saw Rumple taking magic as only a way to go back to his fairy-self, I saw that as a way to put him and Belle in safe and be able to find Bae (and also as a way to have power, it’s not like Rumple is an hero!).
Again, you appear to know a LOT more about my thoughts and feelings than I do, apparently. I love discussion, you know. I love heated, impassioned people who will argue their corner and come up with points that make ME think and make ME consider my own side of things. But don’t assume to know what’s in my head. I’m perfectly capable of expressing that for myself, thanks.
As a matter of fact, I saw Regina’s “no, no” as someone who knows that she’s lost. That’s as open to interpretation as I want to make it, or as you want to make it.
For me the episode the Stranger showed that he already changed a lot from the Dark One of the first days,
How, exactly? Because he expressed sorrow over losing his son?
but it doesn’t mean that I’m excusing him. He’ll have lot of reasons to give and I’ll yell at him (mentally) all he time. And for Regina, the fact that I saw her as not wanting to lose the curse because she hates everyone doesn’t mean that I didn’t cry all my tears when she was crying on the pillow, that I didn’t saw how broken she is and that I didn’t want someone to help her.
So I love both of them, I excuse some things to both of them and others not (again, this goes for both of them), and exactly like your opinion on Rumple as evil doesn’t have anything to do with Rumple’s gender, my opinion on her doesn’t have anything to do with gender either.
No, I rather think my opinion on Rumples as evil DOES have a lot to do with gender. Comparing the two characters without acknowledging that is an exercise in futility because my PRIMARY points were concerned with the fact that a bad woman and a bad man get treated ENTIRELY differently by television shows and, more worryingly, by the people that watch them and those in fandom that talk about them. If you think that my opinions in the original post weren’t connected to the patriarchal hegemony and the support of which runs rampant throughout fandom (and ESPECIALLY this one) then I apologise for not making myself clear.
This is ABSOLUTELY about gender. Evil can be attributed to BOTH characters, and I’m kind of done arguing who’s right and who’s wrong and why so-and-so did what to whom, etc. What I wanted to point out is that from the second the show finished, there was a surge of “He’s got Belle! Hurrah! He’s bringing magic back! Hurrah!” and, alternatively, “She got what she deserved. She deserves to be alone. She’s a terrible mother and I hope she dies.”
Or something along those lines…
And I saw lots of people really believing in Regina even before this episode. (In the confessions sites, though, there is hate for everyone and every ship).
I don’t even know it that made sense. I just wanted to tell you that Rumple fans can still love him but saw how Regina loves Henry and in my case love her too, but maybe I made things worse? When I read you explaining and defending her I did the same with him, but I also hope that it was clear what I saw in her! There doesn’t need to be a war between evil regals and dearies for me, because we can love both or only one without having to bring the other up.
Oh, believe me dear, there’s no war. I’m about as interested in fandom politics as I am in removing my own teeth. My original post was about the PERCEPTION of the CHARACTERS in a socio-sexual context. I couldn’t really care any less about shipping wars. I just…I don’t care, sorry.
Like yesterday, when someone made a horrible confession against Golden Swan shippers and a Golden Swan shipper assumed it was a Rumbeller because this fandom is full of crazy, we Rumbellers told her we had no idea of what was going on, talked about it and agreed that can all be love&peace because we aren’t all insane. I think that it should go like that between dearies and evil regals, especially because I follow a lot of Rumbellers and Dearies and I don’t see much hate for Regina, surely not more than the hate for Rumple from the evil regals. And it’s really awkward for me because even if Rumple is my favourite, I love Regina too, but reading everytime that we are idiots (not from you) for liking him more than her, makes me hard to see her positive traits and it’s just in posts like this that I remember that I love both of them. Maybe it’s the same with you, just with Rumplestiltskin?
No, it’s not the same. I can’t stand the character, especially because of the glorification of someone who is morally bankrupt, selfish, greedy and hasn’t convinced me he feels one iota of love. I love Robert Carlyle, and I love the way he plays Rumpelstiltskin, but I simply can’t sit by and watch while the male figure is elevated and the female figure is demeaned. Regardless of who they are or what they’ve done, THAT’S something that television shouldn’t be teaching us. And THAT’S why I posted. It was about sexism and misogyny, not about shipping wars, for god’s sakes. I don’t care who ships whom; if it makes you happy, ship everyone with everyone. But the underlying message of this show is one that gives me cause for concern. That’s what I was trying to say and, if I failed to do that and prompted your response, then I apologise. Because all I see you doing here is precisely what I pointed out in my original post: if Rumpel and Regina are basically the same, then why are their characters treated so differently?
Did these people miss Henry saying that bringing the magic back was “something bad”?
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